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Old Posted 05-04-2012, 11:34 AM
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I must be doing something wrong. I keep getting tiny bubbles that sit on my small table tops. Cherry stained with transtint and dried and natural cherry, unstained also, Original,gloss, and semi gloss they all do the same ! I have read the manufactures directions dozens of times and lots of other posts. I have bought a half dozen different paint brushes white china bristle and others tipped em up tipped em down, wetted em for a while first didnt over work anything, flooded the surface,spred the surface,applied it in my dusty shop and in my dust free basement. Tryed right out of the brand new cans and thinning with thinner, never shaken and they all give me the same result little bubbles that dry on the surface and its kinda starting to drive me nuts quite frankly ! Any help would be greatful and thanks, It is starting to fustrate me just a tad !
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Old Posted 05-04-2012, 01:39 PM in reply to dale1nemo's post "Waterlox-I just dont get it"
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Have you tried a good quality foam brush?

From our own David Gillie

Wood Finishing Tips

by David Gillie

This article first appeared in a thread on theWoodNet woodworking forum. It was compiled and reproduced here for easier public consumption. All Text are the property of David Gillie.


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I'll probably get crucified and then my remains sliced to ribbons, but here goes anyway...

I've seen plenty of hobbyists who make absolutely beautiful pieces of furniture. The craftsmanship is excellent and they take their time because they want their granddaughters crib (or whatever the piece is to be perfect). They have a luxury time that professionals don't have.

And then they go and put the finish on and it looks like a "hobby jobby".

Breaks my heart to see this happen (and I see it far too often).

So here are some tips for getting a great looking finish on your well crafted piece of work:

SANDING: Don't sand the raw wood too smooth. It will actually burnish the wood and the stain/varnish won't soak in evenly (not to mention a lot of extra work). Depending on the wood, I've found that sanding the raw wood to 150 or 180 grit is just fine.

STAINING: Avoid this if possible. You are not going to get pine to look like walnut or to get poplar to look like cherry with stain.

However, there are times when you want to use hues to accentuate the natural grain and figure of the wood. Maple is a good example or to make cherry or mahogany look "aged".

The easiest and best ways I've discovered over the years for toning woods are either to use tones of shellacs (however they tend to have a golden/amber tint regardless of which you chose).

The other is to use Watco tinted Danish oils. This is the easiest and most successful that I have found. The reason for this is beacuse it has some varnish in the mix and will give you more time to work it in evenly and the varnish will begin filling the grain. (For very pourus woods like oak, it's a good idea to use BLO first so it doesn't sink into the pourus grain too quickly). This is the best way I've found to avoid "splotchy" stain jobs or "tiger striping" like what happens with oak.

Generally, I'll start with Watco Fruitwood and then add a little walnut to get a deep warm reddish tone, or some golden oak to highlight the amber tones (remember that your topcoat of varnish will also give it a amber tone so be aware to keep this in mind). By applying the mix of Watco on and then wiping off, it's easy to get the desired depth of the color you are trying to acheive. Or even using two coats if you really need to deepen the color.

Now we get to the topcoat....

The knee jerk finish it to go to the Big Box and get a can of Minwax Polyurathane because we think it's a "bulletproof" protective finish. I have a cabinet full of every kind of topcoat there is on the market, I think. Of all of these, polyurthane is the most difficult apply and get a good finish. Even if you do, it looks like a plastic coating and is impossible to repair (without complete stripping) if there is a damaged area.

To cut to the chase, the one I've found to give the best and easiest results is Waterlox. And the best way to apply it and not get streaks/drips/etc is with a good quality foam brush. Depending on the type of wood and the desired finish, I find that it usually takes 2-4 coats of the Waterlox to get my desired finish (this will vary if you have used the Watco underneath and how absorbant the wood is).

DO NOT wipe off or sand in between coats. This will just remove the finish you are trying to build! Apply however many coats, then when you get it to the desired finish, sand with 400 grit and apply the final topcoat.

If you want a satin finish, use satin for the last coat ONLY. Satin varnish has light deadeners in it to make it "satin" multiple coats of this will make your finish look cloudy. For all the undercoats of varnish, use semi-gloss so you will have a nice clear finish. Finally, when you are applying your varnish finish, try to get all coats applied within a few days. Don't allow the finish to "cure" between coats. Only on the next to last coat (that will be sanded) allow it to dry fully (about 24 hrs) before sanding. After you put on your final topcoat, let the piece stand where it is for a few days to allow the finish to harden.

These simple steps will give your well made "hobby" piece the complete "professional" look and will look great for many, many years of service.
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Old Posted 05-04-2012, 02:30 PM in reply to Lorax's post starting "Have you tried a good quality foam..."
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A quality foam brush will be on the agenda today thanks !
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Old Posted 05-04-2012, 10:55 PM in reply to dale1nemo's post starting "A quality foam brush will be on the..."
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Quality foam brush is an oxymoron.
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Old Posted 05-05-2012, 12:13 AM in reply to NN's post starting "Quality foam brush is an oxymoron."
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No, there is a definite difference in quality between those sold in bulk by folks like Grizzly and those sold in bulk by others.

These: http://www.amazon.com/Jen-Manufactur...6176522&sr=8-8 are quality.

These: http://www.amazon.com/Woodstock-D324...6176522&sr=8-5 are crap.
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Old Posted 05-05-2012, 12:36 AM in reply to Boxman's post starting "No, there is a definite difference in..."
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The only other thing I can suggest is to fill the pores of the wood before you apply the finish.
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Old Posted 05-17-2012, 08:28 PM in reply to cfiddlemls's post starting "The only other thing I can suggest is..."
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I can't imagine how many cumulative years and how much money was spent "in the making" of this thread. You folks are time savers, that's for sure.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge.

When I get some of my own, I'll share it with y'all.
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Old Posted 08-20-2012, 01:44 AM in reply to Bob in St. Louis's post starting "I can't imagine how many cumulative..."
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I have had great luck with applying waterlox with a VERY fancy shop made "pad".

It consists of
1) An old pair of my wifes panty hose cut up into sections.
2) an old cotton gym sock or part of a sweat shirt

cut a part of the panty hose leg off, knot it, fold up cloth and stuff it in, knot off the other side.... dip and wipe on thin coats. Dont over soak/overload the pad. Use the knots to get into tight spots.
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